By citlali

        Hayden White criticizes in; “The Historical Text as a Literary Artifact” from Tropics of Discourse, that historiography has tried to take a more scientific approach when writing about history.  White does not overlook the importance of relating the accuracy of facts, but he argues the historian must piece together bits or large amounts of information, and in order to do this he or she must create a story.  From this point of view it would seem appropriate to believe the historian is writing a narrative, however, I disagree with White because narratives can be embellished, and facts can be easily omitted for lack of importance.                 Let’s take for example the French Revolution, although there have been many books written about the events leading to the outbreak, each interpretation has had to have a verifiable source, if not, it is not accurate history.  It is true interpretations may vary, but, as White stated, this argument relies on the point of view being written from,  in addition to tone, writing style, or language.  No one can deny the French Revolution began with the storming of the Bastille.  To question why this happened, the historian would ask: What did Louis XVI do to provoke the situation and how did exterior motives contribute to the fall of the monarchy?  From this point, a theory may be created.  But, how does someone get the facts in order to prove this theory, Leopold von Ranke suggested going to the archives.                 It is difficult to believe literary writers and historiographers could be considered as having similar patterns when writing.  Even though, White stresses in both types of work a story must be told.  In truth, writing history states the author has pieced all the evidence and then retells his or her findings, but only based on the evidence that has been found.  In addition, moral issues or biases can be present, however, reality suggests that in order to consider a historical work as a good piece of history, the author must show all positions without taking any sides.  In other words, if his or her main argument is suddenly brought down because of new findings then it is better to revise the work at hand or leave it entirely.  As far as literary works are viewed, this scenario would not alter or completely revise the work because when writing literature it is permissible to emboss the truth and/or place moral judgments.  It is true that we can learn from literature because it can take actual events as examples, but nonetheless the author can exaggerate, partially omit, or completely forget the truth thus creating a work of fiction rather than a historical one.  I would prefer to stick to the scientific and objective notion because history cannot be considered a narrative only on the basis that the author is recreating past events in order to reach the reader.  Historiography has to have facts and evidence in order to prove a theory.       Hayden White has made an interesting argument, but I would suggest reading the works of other authors/historians such as, John Lewis Gaddis, Richard J. Evans, David Hackett Fischer, and Mark T. Gilderhus for reasons why history should not be considered a narrative.  I am sure Mr. White has not intended to anger or offend any historians with his essay, but only to stir up a few emotions. 

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  1. Ortiz5304 Says:

    Hello, Citlali. Good counter-argument to White’s theory. I would tend to agree with you. In addition, I believe each individual historian is likely to add his/her own individual baggage to the equation. While they might not be creating narrative, I don’t believe it’s possible to have an 100%objective in the recounting of historical events. Thanks for those recommendations of other historians.

  2. Christa Says:

    My question is what is a “verifiable source” and who judges whether it is verifiable or not? In addition, there is mention of an accurate historical account, but who says it is accurate? How does one know unless one has actually lived through it… and even then, it is still just one perspective.

    Also, I believe that even with history, facts are conveniently overlooked, and information can easily be omitted due to lack of knowledge or discovery. As a matter of fact, I just read an article the other day about the Mayans and how some recent anthropologists speculate that they were a much more agressive tribe than previously thought. True, this too is a matter of opinion, but it just goes to show that we are constantly discovering new pieces of the puzzle. Also, particularly when talking about women in history, for a long time men were always the literary historians. Different cultures and different periods of time viewed women in different ways… how then is that history accurate?

    Moreover, I completely disagree that there is such thing as an unbiased historical account. Actually, I think there is no such thing as an unbiased anything. White mentiones all of the cultural and interpretation differences that individuals possess. I admit I am not familiar with the historians you mentioned, but I am willing to bet that even they have an agenda… whether it be intentional or unintentional. I think it is just human nature, at the adult level at least.

    Anywho, I could be completely wrong. Who knows? Thanks for the post!

  3. lbsmith Says:

    Thanks for your post. It was helpful to read both sides of the argument and you could be right. But I do not agree with your statement that historians do not embellish or omit facts, and that these techniques are single to narratives, and not history.

    I agree that historians can establish concretely the occurance of some events, such as the the storming of the Bastille. But other questions such as what was the French Revolution, what are the events included in this title of “French Revolution”, which is itself a literary invention, why it took place, and even what events lead up to it, are also historical questions that cannot be told without some narrative qualities and some degree of interpretation.

    But I think this is necessary, not negative. This article did not discredit historians accuracy of events, it just made me aware that there is more involved in the process of writing history, which will hopefully help me get a more accurate picture of history.

    Thanks for you book suggestions. I love history and will try to read some of them.

  4. christopherconway Says:

    I encourage you to give Hayden White a second look. What kind of history is he talking about? What does he mean by narrative and emplotment? Can writing, any kind of writing, reflect reality or only filter it? I also encourage you to think about the controversies that surround contemporary historiography and interpretations of the past. For example, different interpretations of the meaning of Hitler and his psychology, or Goldhagen’s book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners.” (I don’t know why Holocaust studies springs to mind so quickly). Objectivity and truth is not always so clear and different scholars interpret and order facts in different ways. I can go to the archive for facts and choose to only write about kings and queens and not about notaries and artisans. Depending on my choice, my history will be different. Talking about history as narrative does not mean that we reject truth or reality; it only means that we recognize how representation shapes meaning. This is essential for evaluating and comparing historical sources.

  5. citlali Says:

    I want to thank everyone for your comments. I think our class is going to be very interesting. I especially want to thank those of you that posted comments and were very nice when responding.

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